The background to Boeing's 737 MAX. With the Lion Air crash fresh on any 737 MAX pilot’s mind, you’d. Edmonton continues to improve its ranking as a major transportation hub for northern Canada and beyond. The Boeing Co. The Bilge Ethiopian air 737 max crash The WoodenBoat Forum is sponsored by WoodenBoat Publications, publisher of WoodenBoat magazine. The Ethiopian crash is very similar to the other crash in that both occurred on takeoff climb only a couple of minutes after wheels up, both plowed hard directly into the ground with no or very little evidence of pilot control and both had smoke reported from the engine area and both occurred on new models of the 737 Max. Not push button people. It is not in the AA 737 Flight Manual Part 2, nor is there a description in the Boeing FCOM (flight crew operations manual),” says the letter from the pilots’ union safety committee. In response to Boeing 737 Max Unsafe to Fly: New Scathing Report by Pilot and Software Designer , I received a huge number of comments and emails. The job of the pilot team he led was to test the MAX flight control systems in a simulator and to determine the information and training that airline pilots would need to fly the airplane. Read more about Boeing CEO Calhoun expects to resume 737 MAX production before mid-year on Business Standard. Boeing has pushed for computer-based training that could be completed on an. Boeing’s primary sales pitch for the 737Max, was that it’s just another 737. Citing the large number of 737 MAX planes that will need vetting that have piled up in storage as Boeing has continued production despite the global grounding of the plane, the FAA said it will "retain authority to issue airworthiness certificates and export certificates of airworthiness for all 737 MAX airplanes" for an indefinite period. They are NOT referring to the same model. REUTERS/Lindsey Wasson (Reuters) - Boeing Co said it invited more than 200 airline. This is a discussion on Boeing 737 Max crashes and grounding within Commercial Vehicles, part of the BHP India category; ^^^ What about the modifications? Does this mean that the aircraft have to be flown to Boeing, who will then. (Reuters) - Boeing Co said on Tuesday it was recommending that airline pilots undergo simulator training before they resume flying the 737 MAX, a shift from its previous position that. carriers that had 737 MAX jets in their fleets at the time of the grounding, are scheduling without the aircraft until early April. Obviously, people were astonished that all it took was 30 minutes on a iPad to certify a 737 pilot to be qualified to operate a Max 8. More On B-737 Max From Airline Pilot Discussion in ' Non-Vegas Chat ' started by flyguyfl, Aug 2, 2019. Figure 3: 737 MAX Primary Flight Display. Test Pilots for the Boeing 737 Max. Boys and Girls Clubs and Sexual Abuse: Nicholas 'Lefty' Antonucci. My husband and I were on vacation in Antigua when the 737 Max airplanes were no longer able to fly. There is no room. US probed Boeing 737 Max software and pilot manuals last year Workers are pictured next to a Boeing 737 Max 9 airplane on the tarmac at the Boeing Renton Factory in Renton, Washington. Search this forum only. Boeing has invited more than 200 global airline pilots, technical leaders, and regulators for an information session on Wednesday as it looks to return the 737 MAX to commercial service. " Pilots have been voicing concerns about the aircraft. , United Continental Holdings Inc. Picture taken August. With the 737 MAX you just have to think about energy management more because it just doesn't want to slow down in the air. employees on the development of the 737 Max paints a “very disturbing picture” of concerns about the plane, according to an aide to a. SO they dropped a pair or pilots with very little training on a new system. by Pakistan-1 » Tue Aug 27, Possiable Boeing 737 MAX series Development. In the claim, AAL. Montreal’s CAE Inc. Split: Plane Engines and the 737 MAX 8 Accidents You must register before you can post: click the register link above to proceed. The Professional Pilots Rumour Network (PPRuNe) is an aviation website dedicated to airline pilots and those who are considering a career as a commercial pilot. The 737 MAX grounding was the biggest crisis of Muilenburg’s 34-year tenure at Boeing, where he started as an intern in 1985, rising through the company’s defense and services ranks to the top. I assume if MCAS is overhauled with multiple sensors and pilots are trained on it, it should be ok. 737 pilots are trained to disable the stability trim system in a runaway trim situation. March 21, 2019. I don't see why you would need to ground the planes with this simple procedure available to pilots. By making the plane similar to the 737 NG, the previous version of the plane, Boeing was able to persuade regulators that pilots did not need to train on simulators. Like for me, I used to like the MAX, when I. For 110 years FlightGlobal has been at the forefront of the aviation sector. Research the 2018 Honda Pilot at cars. The pilots union at Southwest Airlines Co. These two switches are located immediately next to each other behind the #2 fuel cutoff switch and the flap handle …. Figure 3: 737 MAX Primary Flight Display. MONTREAL/PARIS (Reuters) - While the world's Boeing 737 MAX fleet remains grounded after two fatal crashes, a solitary Air Canada plane has been spotted in the skies, shuttling between Quebec and. Dallas — The union representing Southwest Airlines pilots is suing Boeing, saying its pilots are losing money because the company rushed an unsafe plane into service only to have the 737 Max. Further details have emerged on the 737 Max flight control software bug discovered at the end of June, with reports suggesting that belated tests by a US regulator found the hitherto unknown bug. The 737 Max is a great lesson in government regulation. Planes were allowed to fly with it broken. Boeing CEO Dennis Muilenburg testified at two U. They will need to provide training to every MAX pilot in the world and that includes flight simulator time. Options that AA, and other US Carriers have chosen to install on their 737 MAX aircraft. READ MORE: Boeing issues advice on plane sensor after 737 Max jet crash. These notes do not sanction any pilot to violate his Company's Standard Operating Procedures, Aircraft Manuals or Manufacturer's Recommendations. Airlines scramble to put pilots in Boeing 737 MAX simulators. Second Boeing 737 Max 8 crashes in a year! Kitchen Sink BARF - Bay Area Riders Forum > Community > Kitchen Sink: Holy Shit! Second Boeing 737 Max 8 crashes in a. Disable HTML in this message: Disable BB Code in this message: Disable smilies in this message. They didn't include this info in the 737 max pilot training. Like the families who lost loved ones on Lion Air Flight 610, those now mourning the loss of Ethiopian Airlines Flight ET 302 face agonizing questions that have intensified as the Boeing's 737 MAX. However, airlines want to avoid that extra complexity, according to industry officials. grounding Wednesday of the Boeing 737 Max fleet worldwide capped a stunning series of unprecedented events in the days after the fatal crash of Ethiopian Airlines Flight 302 last Sunday. Boeing’s troubles are deepening as the grounding of its 737 Max jetliner approaches the seven-month mark. Boeing has found a new glitch in the software of the 737 Max jet during a technical review, according to a person familiar with the matter. Just like a Duster and a Dart sport are similar, but have some differences. are expressing concern that crews should have been provided more-detailed instructions about disabling a suspect flight-control system after the first fatal crash of a Boeing Co. By editor • 12 minutes ago. Two fatal crashes of Boeing 737 Max airplanes within five months took the lives of 346 people and grounded the fleet. March 21, 2019. (CNN) — Two US airlines fly the 737 MAX 8 -- the type of jet that crashed last year in Indonesia killing 189 people and on Sunday in Ethiopia killing all 157 on board. A Boeing pilot working on the 737 Max said in messages from 2016 that a new automated system was making the plane difficult to control in flight simulators, more than two years before it was grounded following two deadly crashes. Dallas — The union representing Southwest Airlines pilots is suing Boeing, saying its pilots are losing money because the company rushed an unsafe plane into service only to have the 737 Max. Montreal’s CAE Inc. We cannot politicize this process and we have to look at every possible factor that may. Sebagaimana diketahui. Months before a Boeing 737 Max 8 airplane crashed in Ethiopia, killing 157 people, several American pilots complained about the aircraft model. DA: 54 PA: 61 MOZ Rank: 60. commercial airline pilot. DGCA wants all 737 Max pilots to be given simulator training to ensure passenger safety In March itself, the 737 Max plane was banned by the regulators of almost all the countries around the world. The main gear retract inward and there is no extra room for longer gear. His scenario is backed up by extracts from a 1982 Boeing 737-200 Pilot Training Manual posted to an online pilot forum a month ago by an Australian pilot. It shows that the pilots of both crashed aircraft have a large responsibility by lack of airmanship and that Airbus planes are intrinsically superior to Boeing ones. ’s 737 MAX jetliners back in the air have been delayed in part by concerns about whether the average pilot has enough physical strength to turn a manual crank in extreme emergencies. Much of the hearing was professional - shame that the pilots were not. REUTERS/Lindsey Wasson WASHINGTON. The pilots flying Lion Air flight 610 knew immediately upon takeoff that their flight was in trouble. The company said in a statement that it was “making. It takes a long time to read, but this article of the New York Times is a great overview of the 737 MAX crashes. Boeing fell short on many accounts, greed for dollars/sales is one. After coming to the conclusion that the 737 MAX will be grounded longer than was first anticipated, Icelandair has fired its Boeing 737 MAX pilots. Changes need to be made to pilot response times, certification and communicating changes in airline software, a review says. The agency has been criticised for delegating parts of its aircraft certification process to planemakers like Boeing. (Including a single engine ILS to minimums at DCA with a runaway trim inside the FAF, a manual trim missed approach on one engine, then another single engine ILS to a landing on manual trim. ’s 737 Max before returning the grounded jet to service, according. US Pilots reporting the 737 MAX 8 tilting down after turning autopilot on - [quote] Foreign airlines train their pilots to push certain buttons at certain times wi. They didn't include this info in the 737 max pilot training. Plane maker Boeing Co. aviation regulators are increasingly convinced they don't need to mandate new simulator training for pilots of Boeing Co. On Tuesday, American Airlines announced it is canceling the troubled aircraft from its schedule until June 4, the same date United Airlines settled on more than three weeks ago for its fleet. Test Pilots for the Boeing 737 Max. The 737 Max, the latest version of the jetliner that has evolved since first being flown in the 1960s, has been grounded worldwide since an Ethiopian Airlines flight crashed in March, killing 157 aboard. The preceding thread on 737 Max future has been closed, presumably due to inappropriate posts - play the ball, not the person. Share Tweet Email Tweet Email. An inexperienced pilot with this system wants to instinctively push forward to prevent stall. Boeing will need to explain the MCAS in terms that the public will understand and accept. High quality Boeing 737 Max gifts and merchandise. As the New York Times reported, “For many new airplane models, pilots train for hours on giant, multimillion-dollar machines, on-the-ground versions of cockpits that mimic the flying experience and teach them new features” while the experienced 737 MAX pilots were allowed light refresher courses that you could do on an iPad. There is a override to stop MCAS but pilots may not be receiving the proper training to know this on a brand new aircraft. I would never again fly Boeing 737 max, no matter the amount of toilet paper they call certification. The Max was a cost saving corner cutter, putting on new and bigger engines on an old airframe design and changing its flying characteristics. Talk:Boeing 737 MAX This is the talk page for discussing improvements to the Boeing 737 MAX article. The crisis over Boeing's 737 Max planes after two crashes has already cost thousands of jobs. The MAX series has exactly two aircraft, MAX 8 and MAX 9, both with the new engines and thus both with the new engines. I'm interested in the training part. You don't spend your first 200 hours learning in jets anywhere on earth except some militaries. Would you pilot a Boeing 737-860 MAX, despite the current situation, regarding this model of aircraft, manufactured in Boeing's Seattle(?) plant? If I was a commercial pilot. Do you anticipate pilot confidence in the 737 Max platform being an. A forum for both professionals and knowledgeable amateurs. He brought these lessons to Boeing, and launched a 737 version with new engines, the 737 Max, to compete with a more fuel-efficient Airbus model. The financial markets have finally woken up to Boeing's criminal behavior around the certification of the 737 MAX:. Out of interest, I did an Airbus St Eloi plant tour on September 14th. The Boeing 737 is the most successful commercial airplane in aviation history. 737 Max Scandal Cuts Boeing's Once Rock-Solid Image. http://news. January 10, 2020. The 737 MAX entered service in 2017. Boeing announced shortly after 22h00 GMT this evening that as expected (watch my video about it HERE), it would halt production of the 737-MAX in January 2020. That old 737 pilot manual lays out a. 16, 2019: AlJazeera produced a 30 minute special report on the Boeing 737 MAX. That's why these 737 MAX pilots don't prevent their planes from running into the ground, even when they should be able to, regardless of what the computer wants to do. Forkner described some of the MAX’s simulated behavior as “egregious. Ethiopia sits on 737 Max report but says pilots followed Boeing drills. There's lots of discussion on the various aircraft forums for and against the 737 Max's aircraft design and methods of training the pilots involved in the accidents. Like for me, I used to like the MAX, when I. The software essentially made the new MAX feel like an older 737. I'm also reading about where both the Lion Air, and Ethiopian Air 737 MAX planes didn't have certain options that could of possibly avoided these 2 incidents. The aircraft is fine. Toggle search box Toggle navigation. Real World Aviation. Pilots shred Boeing as it prepares to resume 737 MAX production ASAP, citing ‘positive feedback’ from pilots Boeing hopes to resume production of its grounded 737 MAX jet months before regulators approve it to fly again, CEO Dave Calhoun has announced, touting positive feedback even as pilots unions shred the company as untrustworthy. The goal here is to ensure no further issues are experienced with the aircraft. When the company asked to remove mention of MCAS from the pilot’s manual, the agency agreed. I agree that statements that the 737 MAX is "unstable" without MCAS are not justified. Search this forum only. MONTREAL/PARIS (Reuters) - While the world's Boeing 737 MAX fleet remains grounded after two fatal crashes, a solitary Air Canada plane has been spotted in the skies, shuttling between Quebec and. The background to Boeing’s 737 MAX. Grounded 737-MAX of Southwest They have also said that no layoffs of furloughs are expected for the time being and that the cut in production would facilitate stored …. Exclusive: Regulators weigh 'startle factors' for Boeing 737 MAX pilot training - Transport Canada executive. Introducing Crain's Forum A note from the publisher on Crain's Forum The 737 pilot who came to rescue Boeing with Boeing in crisis after its all-important 737 Max model was grounded in the. To be fair, flying isn't his primary job. Toggle search box Toggle navigation. - An evaluation of pilot training needs by a Joint Operations Evaluation Board, made up of the FAA's Flight Standardization Board and partners from Canada, Europe, and Brazil. The WoodenBoat Forum is sponsored by WoodenBoat Publications, publisher of WoodenBoat magazine. Incorrect assumptions on how an anti-stall device functioned and how pilots would react cited as factors of the crash. It was not a "nose heavy" or "tail heavy" airplane. The employees appear to discuss instances in which the company concealed such problems from the F. The software was designed so that pilots with existing 737 type ratings could fly the MAX as well. airlines have it tough with the Boeing 737 Max grounding? At least they can keep pilots busy during the lengthy grounding, since they can fly older versions of the same airplane. Based on professional pilot flight forums I've read, the general consensus of 737 MAX captains is the first crash (Lion Air) was avoidable. Last week, the pilot union of American Airlines Group, or AAL. The directive also mentions:. The 737 MAX 10’s maiden flight is scheduled for 2019, with first deliveries in 2020. They said not only will people fly on it again, but it will probably become one of the safest commercial jets in historyand went on to state:. Boeing 737 Max pilots didn't have flight simulators, and trained on iPads instead. This was the backup trim system for all of the B707, 727, and 737 aircraft which all have long records of operating safely. Ethiopia's transport minister has said the national carrier's pilots were following published Boeing procedures immediately before the fatal crash of a 737 Max 8 in March, citing an unpublished government report. It is not taught. Airlines are scrambling to book time in 737 MAX training facilities as far afield as Fiji, Iceland and Panama, operators said, after Boeing Co recommended pilots be trained in one of the few simula…. The co-pilot said he could not “think of any reason the aircraft would pitch nose-down so aggressively. The Max was a cost saving corner cutter, putting on new and bigger engines on an old airframe design and changing its flying characteristics. But, it also gets to a point where you start having different versions of the same plane with enough differences that it becomes a problem. These two switches are located immediately next to each other behind the #2 fuel cutoff switch and the flap handle …. 's 737 MAX jets again, according to government and industry officials familiar with the deliberations, a change that would repudiate one of the plane maker's longstanding arguments. As you may already know, a jumpseating pilot told different Lion Air pilots a few days before the crash how to turn off the override. REUTERS/Lindsey Wasson WASHINGTON. (NYSE: BA) on Tuesday said it is recommending simulator training in addition to computer-based training for all pilots that will fly the 737 MAX, prior to its return to service. Boeing Co said on Tuesday it was recommending that airline pilots undergo simulator training before they resume flying the 737 MAX, a shift from its previous position that pilots only needed. American Airlines pilots demand compensation over Boeing 737 MAX grounding. MCAS is Born. aviation officials is that a bird strike caused erroneous input to set off the plane’s autopilot system, Maneuvering Characteristics Augmentation System (MCAS), a source familiar with the situation told CNBC. 737 Max and other general discussion discussion in the Seabreeze shooting the breeze forums, page 1 The A380 is loved by pilots and passengers, but hated by. Show of hands (not high and extremely brief - put them up and hold them up - it was a direction) and Sam Graves exclusion of all 737 time and only mentioning the MAX time experience of the pilots - is very poor and every professional pilot should bring this to congress. Boeing announced shortly after 22h00 GMT this evening that as expected (watch my video about it HERE), it would halt production of the 737-MAX in January 2020. The plane, a Boeing 737-800MAX with flight number ET 302, lost contact soon after taking off at 08:38 am local time from Bole International Airport in the Ethiopian capital, the airline said in a statement. It said it planned for affected employees to "continue 737-related work, or be temporarily assigned to other teams". That is why Boeing has designed a telescoping gear system for the upcoming 737-10 MAX which will be 66" longer than the current 737-900 and 737-9 MAX. The WoodenBoat Forum is sponsored by WoodenBoat Publications, publisher of WoodenBoat magazine. One point worth considering is the new 737 max aircraft has more powerful engines which would completely alter the aircraft control response during take-off especially in hot climates where the pilots would be used to applying higher power settings. A Boeing 737 MAX 8 passenger plane, registered PK-LQP, was destroyed in an accident 15 km N off Tanjung Bungin, Indonesia. You can have extra systems on the 737 Max if you specify them on ordering and they cost several million pounds extra. The Forum is a free service, and much like the "free" content on Public Radio, we hope you will support WoodenBoat by subscribing to this fabulous magazine. So here is the poll - would you fly Boeing 737 max?. The senior Boeing engineer said that finding such problems and fixing them was not unusual and not particular to the Max or to Boeing. Boeing’s primary sales pitch for the 737Max, was that it’s just another 737. CNN The pilots of a jet that crashed in Ethiopia, killing all on board, used a flight simulator to learn how to fly the Boeing 737 Max 8 plane, the airline told CNN. On all previous 737's, pulling up on the flight controls, would disengage the automated systems. 's grounded 737 Max. It also references the March 10 Ethiopian Airlines disaster -- another 737. Options that AA, and other US Carriers have chosen to install on their 737 MAX aircraft. , the largest operator of the 737 Max, wants to be repaid by Boeing Co. Boeing now says 737 Max pilots need simulator time. Incorrect assumptions on how an anti-stall device functioned and how pilots would react cited as factors of the crash. watch now Boeing is telling airlines and suppliers that it doesn’t expect regulators to sign off on the 737 Max until the middle of 2020, months later than the manufacturer previously expected. Firstly a Lion Air flight crashed approximately 11 mins after departure in the Java Sea near Jakarta, Indonesia. Do you anticipate pilot confidence in the 737 Max platform being an. The main gear retract inward and there is no extra room for longer gear. Unsafe at any altitude — Ethiopian Air pilots turned off 737 MAX anti-stall system. DGCA wants all 737 Max pilots to be given simulator training to ensure passenger safety In March itself, the 737 Max plane was banned by the regulators of almost all the countries around the world. " That being the case, you would therefore think that Boeing would have highlighted the new MCAS system on the Max, rather than simply downplayed its existence in the I-Pad briefing given to pilots transferring to the Max. Another rewrite for 737 Max software as cosmic bit-flipping tests glitch out systems - report. 16, 2019: AlJazeera produced a 30 minute special report on the Boeing 737 MAX. Federal regulators now intend to inspect and sign off on every Boeing 737 MAX jet individually. Mcas software was designed to bring the flight characteristics of the 737 Max back in line with regular 737's which (if it worked correctly) would not require any new pilot training. The accident is the first to be reported that involves the widely-sold Boeing 737 MAX, an updated, more fuel-efficient version of the manufacturer's workhorse single-aisle jet. It is in the operations manual, but not in the instruction given to pilots to be certified. Boeing on Sunday (March. And why don't we want to leave flight safety up to the Boeing's of the world? Well the 737 Max is a lesson. A note from the publisher on Crain's Forum Expat pilot turns self-styled whistleblower after 737 Max crash. org forum community offers tech info, troubleshooting, modification DIY's and discussion for the Honda Pilot SUV. Boeing CEO Dennis Muilenburg hinted about six weeks after the Ethiopian crash that pilots did not “completely” follow procedures. I feel Boeing should be Boeing and let Airbus be Airbus. 121pilot, a frequent commenter on this blog, is a U. 737 Max Scandal Cuts Boeing's Once Rock-Solid Image. American Airlines’ flight attendants union still has safety concerns about the Boeing 737 MAX and is demanding an active role in the relaunch of the grounded aircraft, its president told Boeing. The aircraft maker reported Tuesday that its deliveries of airliners to customers in September plunged 70 percent from the level of a year earlier. The consensus I'm hearing among professional aviators is that the MCAS problem is easy to deal with if the pilots are properly trained. Because it is easier to blame a dead pilot than accept responsibility for poor design, poor quality, defective systems, lack of information and short change training. The 800 series has been in commercial use for several years already and have a very good safety record, along with the other 737 varieties in use around the world today. Yes, that's true. But, But, But, there's nothing wrong with the plane, I read it here. Based on professional pilot flight forums I've read, the general consensus of 737 MAX captains is the first crash (Lion Air) was avoidable. The company said in a statement that it was “making. DeviantArt is the world's largest online social community for artists and art enthusiasts, allowing people to connect through the creation and sharing of art. The pilots didn't recognize the problem in time and the plane crashed. However, airlines want to avoid that extra complexity, according to industry officials. Southwest Airlines pilots predicted on Monday that the grounded Boeing 737 MAX airplane will return to the skies around February, weeks later than Boeing and airlines have projected. Nothing much new, some harrowing segments in a sim as two experienced captains try, and fail, to recover both aircraft An ambulance chaser with a nice line in tears to order, and an amazingly self-possessed and fluent daughter of one of the victims. My husband and I were on vacation in Antigua when the 737 Max airplanes were no longer able to fly. All 737 pilots know that. I also asked if Westjet was aware that several pilots who experienced serious problems with the 737 Max 8s MCAS filed complaints with Nasa soon after the Lion Air crash. The Max was a cost saving corner cutter, putting on new and bigger engines on an old airframe design and changing its flying characteristics. When the airplane is close to in-trim, as you would be throughout a normal flight, the wheel is easily moved by the pilot-flying (PF) using the fold-out. A Boeing pilot working on the 737 Max said in messages from 2016 that a new automated system was making the plane difficult to control in flight simulators, more than two years before it was grounded following two deadly crashes. The software was designed so that pilots with existing 737 type ratings could fly the MAX as well. Boeing reasoned that pilots were already drilled to counter similar behavior by the 737’s horizontal stabilizer by running through a checklist and flipping two center console switches. Also last week, the Office of Special Counsel released findings, resulting from a whistleblower’s allegations, that raise concerns about whether safety inspectors were sufficiently qualified to “certify pilots or to assess pilot training” for planes including the 737 Max. REUTERS/Lindsey Wasson/File Photo WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Boeing Co BA. World of Avia is a forum for aviation / flight simulation enthousiasts. Boing 737 Max Disaster All of this is just by reading stuff, I am not a pilot or a. From Aviation Week: Boeing's efforts to keep 737 Next Generation and MAX training as similar as possible included limiting external discussion of the maneuvering characteristics augmentation system (MCAS) as early as 2013, as well as an aggressive lobbying effort to dissuade Lion Air from. Boeing will stop building the 737 MAX in January, due to increasing plane inventory and a continued lack of clearance to fly the jet. with some commenting in. 4 million for installing substandard parts on the wings of 178 of its 737 Max jetliners, which have been grounded since. It was the flawed attempt to 'hide' this altered behaviour from the pilot, so that the aircraft seemed to behave like an ordinary 737, that caused all the problems. Multi-Asset Class. When the grounded Boeing 737 Max planes return to the an American pilot was asked when passengers will know it's safe to fly the 737 Max. The Forum is a free service, and much like the "free" content on Public Radio, we hope you will support WoodenBoat by subscribing to this fabulous magazine. In the fsx 737-800 the N1 Set rotary switch is inoperable. Much of the hearing was professional - shame that the pilots were not. By making the plane similar to the 737 NG, the previous version of the plane, Boeing was able to persuade regulators that pilots did not need to train on simulators. Introducing Crain's Forum A note from the publisher on Crain's Forum The 737 pilot who came to rescue Boeing with Boeing in crisis after its all-important 737 Max model was grounded in the. ’s 737 MAX jetliners back in the air have been delayed in part by concerns about whether the average pilot has enough physical strength to turn a manual crank in extreme emergencies. Boeing and its oversight, the FAA, decided the Airlines and their Pilots had no need to know. SEATTLE/WASHINGTON, Oct 20 (Reuters) - Boeing Co said on Sunday it understood the outcry over leaked messages from a former test pilot over erratic software behavior on its 737 MAX jet two years. My husband and I were on vacation in Antigua when the 737 Max airplanes were no longer able to fly. It has been grounded for nine months, since shortly after the second accident. The pilot who shared the scenario said he learned the roller coaster procedure from excerpts of a 737-200 manual posted in an online pilot forum in the wake of the MAX accidents. The United States' aviation giant had hoped to see the. - An evaluation of pilot training needs by a Joint Operations Evaluation Board, made up of the FAA's Flight Standardization Board and partners from Canada, Europe, and Brazil. Boeing Plans to Fix the 737 MAX Jet With a Software Update. Congressional hearings on the 737 MAX disasters—and his testimony raised more questions than answers. Read more about Boeing pilot who flagged flaws in 737 MAX simulator transferred to new job on Business Standard. The 737 is already the most successful commercial aircraft in history, being in production for over 50 years with 10,000+ built and another 4,000+ on order. While the world’s Boeing 737 MAX fleet remains grounded after two fatal crashes, a solitary Air Canada plane has been spotted in the skies, shuttling between Quebec and Ontario. A cockpit alert notifying pilots of a sensor malfunction linked to two deadly crashes wasn’t working as represented on every 737 Max, Boeing acknowledged. The chance that after this second issue that 737 MAX pilots are unaware of this problem and how to deal with it seems vanishingly small at this point. They didn't include this info in the 737 max pilot training. The Lion Air accident can prove otherwise. , October 2, 2019. Take a listen to what Leitch has to say about the Boeing 737 Max below: has been invited to speak at the World Economic Forum. Boeing 737 MAX Friends and relatives who fly and maintain the plane seem uncertain as to whether it is design, training or maintenance related. Login Airline Transport Pilot. The aerodynamic issues resulting from the engine placement on the 737 Max have to do with the increased lift generated at high angles of attack. The pilots said that soon after engaging the autopilot on Boeing 737 Max 8 planes, the nose tilted down sharply. The 737 is already the most successful commercial aircraft in history, being in production for over 50 years with 10,000+ built and another 4,000+ on order. Breaking News. If pilots approve of the changes, Boeing will use the data to seek FAA recertification. Unlike the hour-long hit piece on the 787 several years ago, undertaken with questionable tactics, this one is well done. "I think when they see our pilots are confident. commercial airline pilot. Graver, it was news to the Pilots flying the MAX since 18 months as well. The Boeing 737 Max has just killed 346 passengers and crew in two accidents over about five months. There is a override to stop MCAS but pilots may not be receiving the proper training to know this on a brand new aircraft. World of Avia is a forum for aviation / flight simulation enthousiasts. You don't spend your first 200 hours learning in jets anywhere on earth except some militaries. Boeing - no. A Boeing pilot working on the 737 Max said in messages from 2016 that a new automated system was making the plane difficult to control in flight simulators, more than two years before it was grounded following two deadly crashes. The Lion Air 737 Max experienced the same nose up and then down problem that it had on the day of the crash. Boeing 737 Max crashes and grounding Boeing 737 Max crashes and grounding. And thats where Boeing cut corners its easy to sit here and blame the pilots, but its not them, not this time Boeing not this time. REUTERS/Lindsey Wasson WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Boein. Boeing has invited more than 200 global airline pilots, technical leaders, and regulators for an information session on Wednesday as it looks to return the 737 MAX to commercial service. The move is likely to add further time and cost to the resumption of commercial flights and is a major. He was joined by over 400 fellow pilots, trained to fly the fourth-generation narrow-body 737 MAX aircraft. “It doesn’t move any primary controls,” and MCAS doesn’t function when the autopilot is active. Also, read up about some of the other 737 MAX pilot reports: in some cases, MCAS malfunctioned, was turned off, then later turned back on without incident. Two new Boeing 737 Max jets crashed within five months — one in Indonesia and the other in Ethiopia — killing 346 people, after investigators say pilots in both crashes were unable to control. So here is the poll - would you fly Boeing 737 max?. Most of the idiots on the forum dont have an answer to why its only the 737 Maxes that are falling out of the sky. Forkner described some of the MAX’s simulated behavior as “egregious. , the 737 Max will return to service only when the FAA’s analysis of the facts and technical data indicate that. * The 737 is a 1967 design retrofit over the years to point where the 737 MAX sometimes lacks the aerodynamics to fly * To "fix" that, Boeing attempt to kludge in automation to take over from the pilots; of course if this system fails hundreds die. and international regulators it needs to win over to get the jet back in the air. DeviantArt is the world's largest online social community for artists and art enthusiasts, allowing people to connect through the creation and sharing of art. Finding time for all the pilots at dozens of airlines operating the 737 MAX is a looming challenge and the shortage could delay introduction of the aircraft into fleets, Reuters said. Airbus management have never issued any directives to employees regarding any comments they should make, good or bad, regarding the 737 Max. According to The New York Times, when Boeing first rolled out the 737 Max 8, the Federal Aviation Administration determined there were not enough differences between the new model and the prior iteration of 737 to require pilots to go through simulator training — a decision that saved the airlines time and money, and made Boeing's new plane. In a transcript of instant messages between two employees, the 737 Max's then chief technical pilot, Mark Forkner, said the so-called MCAS anti-stall system in the airplane was "running rampant. He brought these lessons to Boeing, and launched a 737 version with new engines, the 737 Max, to compete with a more fuel-efficient Airbus model. Last week, the pilot union of American Airlines Group, or AAL. Forums; Lifestyles & Discussion; Open Discussion; Female pilots not strong enough to control 737 MAX. I just don't trust big corporations anymore. Boeing on Sunday (March. "especially if things go wrong and they attempt to fly manually. Dennis Tajer, a spokesman for the American Airlines pilot union and a 737 pilot, said his members had long been concerned about the minimal training required for pilots to become qualified to fly the Max models. LE BOURGET, France—Efforts to get Boeing Co. The US National Transportation Safety Board issued 7 safety recommendations to the FAA today regarding the crashes of 2 737 MAX aircraft in November 2018 and March 2019. We cannot politicize this process and we have to look at every possible factor that may. The Lion Air accident can prove otherwise. A months-long review of the design and approval of Boeing’s 737 Max by the National Transportation Safety Board has concluded that the company did not account for how new software—which. pilots can operate Boeing Co. The problem with the Boeing 737 Max is not a software problem. The US-based plane maker Boeing was hit with a class-action lawsuit filed Friday, seeking millions of dollars in damages in favor of over 400 pilots trained to fly the 737 MAX, ABC News report says. The Boeing 737 MAX has been grounded worldwide after two tragic and horrific crashes. The NTSB released recommendations Thursday after its investigation into the certification of the 737 Max. Graver, it was news to the Pilots flying the MAX since 18 months as well. To start viewing messages, select the forum that you want to visit from the selection below. stands ready to speed up production of Boeing Co. My guess is the pilots involved in the two mishaps left the automation engaged because that is their comfort zone. July 1, 2019. A spokesman for Air Canada said the airline was not able to use similar 737s within its fleet “to maintain check pilot authority in alignment with (Canadian aviation regulations). That's the difference that you're ignoring. The co-pilot said he could not “think of any reason the aircraft would pitch nose-down so aggressively. At least two pilots who flew Boeing 737 Max 8 planes on routes in the United States had raised concerns in November about the noses of their planes suddenly dipping after engaging autopilot, according to a federal government database of incident reports. There were 181 passengers and eight crew members on board. The main gear retract inward and there is no extra room for longer gear. The physical force would be needed to pull a lever in case of an emergency. More commonly found in 737 Max discussions on tech or pilot forums, In the case of the 737 Max.